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What the U.S. Can Learn from the Dutch About Teen Sex

Posted on November 11th, 2010 at 15:39 by John Sinteur in category: News


The Dutch are known for their liberal attitudes toward sex and drugs: while not officially legal, marijuana use and sale in “coffee shops” is tolerated in The Netherlands, as is prostitution, most notoriously in the street windows of Amsterdam’s red light district. Pragmatism, the Dutch have long believed, is better than punitive prohibition — and they’ve got lots of data on their side.While 12% of the American population has smoked marijuana in the last month, for example, the same is true of only 5% of citizens of The Netherlands.


As Salon reports, this practical attitude — and data favoring it — extends to teenage sex. Two-thirds of Dutch parents allow their 15-to-17-year-old children to sleep with their partners in their homes, according to a 2003 survey cited by the Salon post.

But rather than resulting in crazed teen orgies and high rates of teen pregnancy, abortion or transmission of STDs, the Dutch have far lower rates of these problems than the U.S. For example, the teen pregnancy rate in the Netherlands is just 12 pregnancies per 1,000 girls aged 15 to 19. In the staid U.S., there are 72 pregnancies per 1,000 girls the same age. The Dutch teen abortion rate is 20% lower than that in the U.S. And the rate of HIV infection in America is three times higher than in The Netherlands.

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  1. Nothing makes “sinning” more exciting that prohibiting it. Witness alcohol prohibition in the US in the 20’s. The only positive thing it did was to enrich a lot of really vile people…

  2. One doesn’t need to look over the Atlantic. This can be observed even in the USA.

    The “liberal atheist gay-tolerant” states like Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Hampshire etc. have the lowest teenage pregnancy rates in the US.

    The highest rates of teenage pregnancies? The “god-fearing, conservative, traditional marriage, real-love-can-wait” states of Texas, Georgia, Mississippi etc.

  3. In this instance, 12% may actually be better than 5% as a measure of a society.

    However, note the diction of the quote: it says “smoked.” The more enlightened way to use cannabis is with a vaporizer–of which I’ve seen many in Amsterdam coffee shops. There could be another 15% of the admirable Dutch population that doesn’t ‘smoke’ but ‘vapes’–and these users could well be excluded from the stat, per the language of the article.

    (What? Sloppy writing in “Time” on-line? Could it be?)

  4. Okay, take it from somebody who lived in the Netherlands all his life: the stats don’t exclude “vapes”.

And the headline of the week award goes to….

Posted on November 11th, 2010 at 14:16 by John Sinteur in category: Funny!

Irish Central

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  1. Mom?

Somehow I doubt it

Posted on November 11th, 2010 at 14:08 by John Sinteur in category: Funny!

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Devastating Landslide Swallows Brazilian Port

Posted on November 11th, 2010 at 12:31 by John Sinteur in category: News


The accident occurred when a backhoe was excavating for the construction of a ramp 150 m from the port and into the Rio Negro. According to the commander of the Fire Brigade, Colonel Antonio Dias, a strip of land of at least 300 meters long from the port slid over the work.

The two employees, ramp and dozens of trucks and containers were thrown to the earth into the Rio Negro. The commander says a barge containing diesel fuel, which was in the river sank. Inside the containers are goods industries from Manaus.

The Military Police and firefighters are still on a state of alert to prevent further landslides and estimate that the number of missing may be higher.

According to information from the Fire Department, effective has been working to remove about 20 containers that fell into the river Negro. Hermes Macedo said Major, Military Police, the goal is to isolate the area and help in rescue efforts. “It is now important to isolate the area avoiding the presence of onlookers and stay alert to landslides. We have air support to expedite the rescue of victims. As we do not know the exact number of affected, alertness is essential,” he says.

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Ministers who are secretly atheist participate in landmark study

Posted on November 11th, 2010 at 10:38 by John Sinteur in category: Pastafarian News


Last evening, ABC news’ Dan Harris gave a report which is sure to shock many Americans. He interviewed two ministers – both of whom are agonizingly living a lie. As they ‘minister’ to their flocks, they know inside they don’t believe in gods.Neither man, both participants in a study entitled “Preachers who are not believers” by philosopher Daniel Dennett and his co-researcher at Tufts University, Linda LaScola, started out with the intent to deceive. One, in fact, came to his atheism by reading atheist literature with the goal of refuting the non-believer’s arguments. Only, it didn’t quite work out that way. The other got there more directly – reading the bible itself made him question the myriad inconsistencies there. Both men are trying to find other jobs – but as lifelong ministers, they have no other marketable skills, and have families to support.

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  1. So, you actually got two ministers that told the truth? Do you really think anyone believes that BS. It takes an ignorant person to not question the bible.

  2. How about this Archbishop?

  3. That report was published months ago. How did it take so long for ABC to pick up on it.

    Of course, five ministers is hardly a representative study. It makes you wonder how often it truly happens.

  4. Believing in the Bible isn’t really so difficult if you’re ignorant, even if you’re intelligent, and this always leaves open the possibility of selective interpretation of stuff that’s obviously wrong, like Bereshit and Noach (the first two portions of the Torah). The Bible’s main narrative definitely has legendary embellishments, but if you actually believe that a magical superbeing called Yahweh exists, the narrative of the Bible has Yahweh’s involvement in human affairs becoming less and less personal.

    Abraham had direct access to Yahweh. Isaac and Jacob, not so much, but they’d have occasional conversations. Moses, of course, was Yahweh’s greatest prophet and hung out with him on mountains, but Yahweh also revealed himself to the people a couple of times, leading them personally out of Egypt, performing miracles like manna and the parting of the Sea of Reeds, etc. After Moses, it was the prophetic period, where Yahweh only talked to people through prophets rather than directly, and any miracles were actually pretty minor (except for the stories with Elijah and Elisha) or just future-telling. After that… Aside from a few obviously fictional stories (like Esther and Daniel, though that one includes prophecy), Yahweh mostly stays out of things, doesn’t speak through prophecy, or anything like that.

    So it’s not far-fetched, if you believe in Yahweh, that we’re now living in a time where he doesn’t really do anything. The stuff in there was magic, but the magic has stopped happening since then. Yeah, it’s not believable using *today’s* standards, but back when Yahweh’s doing stuff was commonplace, it’s not so hard to believe.

    …Obviously this takes a special kind of rationalization. I don’t understand why intelligent people would believe in the first place.

  5. First rule of Unitarianism – all ministers must be atheists, or a least strong agnostics… 🙂

A Pocketable Train Wreck

Posted on November 11th, 2010 at 6:46 by John Sinteur in category: News


This thing is just a mess. It’s like a tablet drunkenly hooked up with a phone, and then took the fetus swimming in a Superfund cleanup site. The browser is miserable, at least when Flash is enabled. It goes catatonic, scrolling is laggy, and it can get laughably bad. When better browsing is half the reason to go for a larger screen, that’s insanity.

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